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Peter DW


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Hi, does anyone know please if this a dead end track or if you can ride further than the UCR identification on the OS map? Thanks Peter



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No, turns into footpath, so dead end.



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If you know it's 192-173 you'll see on the overlays that the way extends from Dalditch Farm, up through the 'a' of Squabmoor, and meets the tarmac road on East Budleigh Common.

We maintain that all this route is Maintainable at Public Expence and a UCR. Devon County Councils on-line records do not reflect this. It is one of many errors.

These errors are compounded by the incorrect 'Footpath' fingerboards.

I will apply to the Land Charges office today for a List of Streets extract, and post up here.



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Well, that's a turn up for the books.

Below, is the List Of Streets extract held by DCC, clearly showing the MPE (brown) extent of the way as per the OS marked ORPA markings (now less ORPA dots than shown on older versions), ending just past the farm.

LoS extract lane past Dalditch Farm marked 080620.jpg

which is NOT how our records show it.

I'm a bit puzzled.



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Where the UCR meets the footpath going north, the footpath goes to the left but, according to Land Charges mapping, the correct (blue crayon) line of the UCR follows the hedge.

It's so overgrown, everyone uses the footpath up until near the top where we turn off right to join a short section of the UCR to join the road.

The correct line of the UCR may have been accidentally left off the revised mapping but DCC will have the original Land Charges scans to show what's what wink



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So to confirm you cant do this as a circuit ? Picture attached! I did wonder about that one route ...?



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Fabian - As far as I know you can't legally do the circuit you have shown. When you get to the end of Shortwood Lane (see map on first post) you have to turn right towards East Budleigh. Going left is not legal - there is/used to be a notice with info about this at the junction.

I ride the route from Dalditch Farm to the tarmac road at East Budleigh Common regularly on MTB and powered Trail bike. The last bit is a rooty, stepped section about 200m long. I haven't seen any notices posted about change of use/designation along this route.

The southern section up to Squabmoor Reservoir has quite a lot of car traffic as it is used by anglers going to the lake.

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So your saying you have to go up turn round and go up shortwood and turn right like the picture I have attached? I'm looking to go down there Saturday so just planning my route



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fabiantrim wrote:

So your saying you have to go up turn round and go up shortwood and turn right like the picture I have attached? I'm looking to go down there Saturday so just planning my route

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Thanks for all the discussion contributions - I have now ridden it from the South to North as a though road.
A good lane - I was leading and one of the pudles was far deeper than I bargained for, but good fun.

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I have asked DCC PROW to look into the status of this lane.

They have passed the enquiry to the Land Charges dept, who have acknowledged my request and I am waiting for a response.



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I have had a reply from the DCC Land Charges Dept.

They admit their digital List of Streets data is incorrect, and they have confirmed that the full through route is a Highway Maintained at Public Expense, as 

per the DGTRF overlays and our LoS records. The route is as per the ORPA dots on older 1:50,000 OS maps (as 2nd image below) passing Dalditch Farm up to the East Budleigh Road (yellow).

A bit hard to see, but Land Charges have now drawn the brown (HMPE) line on their records as below.

LoS extract dated 070720 from LC Dalditch Farm.JPG

route as per the red ORPA dots below

192-173 OS 1 50k 2006 map.JPG

 

 



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That is really interesting as it leaves Footpath 7 as a dead end as the correct line of the UCR is totally overgrown biggrin

Back in the day, Ollie and I were going to clear a motorbike wide path through on the correct line of the UCR but somehow never got around to it. It would mean having it to ourselves as horses and walkers would almost certainly stick to the existing wide clear track wink

Thanks for sorting it out Ray - most appreciated!

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Thanks Ray for the hard work, very interesting smile

Really ought to have the correct legal route cleared plus a small way marker disc erected at the northern end, maybe? 

can anyone lay a track log over the OS map to show the difference in the routes between what we ride and whats legal? please, then with DTRF discussion we could pop this to PRoW for us to clear and sign?  



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Brian, where on the route is the overgrown bit?

Looking at the latest LoS extract, Footpath 7 actually joins 192-173.

The only track log I can locate at the moment, has me following the wrong bit as it approaches the East Budleigh road. That is maybe caused by

following a 1:25,000 OS map which has the ORPA dots recorded differently. Is this the overgrown bit Brian?

192-173 1-25k ORPA dots.JPG   192-173 OS 1 50k 2006 map.JPG  

LoS extract dated 070720 from LC Dalditch Farm top croppedA.jpg



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I have marked the overgrown (lost) section of the old road in yellow Ray.

We started to use the top (north west) section, as indicated by your top two arrows, many years ago to avoid going through the car park. The 4x4 boys eventually found it so that is quite open now but all the tree roots have been exposed so take care in the wet!

Brian

LoS extract dated 070720 from LC Dalditch Farm top croppedA.jpg



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Well, that was an exciting evening with Mr Wacky!

We walked as much of the old road on its correct line as we could but you can see from the photo that it is very overgrown. The lane runs immediately right of Ian.

My work trousers were no match for the brambles and gorse and I was lucky not to break an ankle when my foot found a deep void which turned out to be a fox hole disbelief

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It will be interesting to hear Ian's view once he has had time to think on what he saw wink

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Time to Rattle a few cages in the land of authorities, surely they can't refuse clearing the legal line of an unmetalled road wink

Thanks very much Mr S for your time and knowledge whilst on site gathering information, very enjoyable to have your company on a splendid evening spent in the bushes wink

Bloody annoyed I didn't whip out the phone in time to take your photo whilst you were having a Badger in a fox hole, twas unexpected for sure and I'm so glad you were in front biggrin

 

Anyways lets get to business.....

Even with allowing a few metres of inaccuracy on the Montana GPS it wasn't that far from the main route of the green road, yes interesting and for one I didn't know or think this road was that much off line, but bloody Nora it is for the majority of the distance, would be an exciting ride if riding the correct legal line

 

The Road is here 

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Not lost, honest! wink

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Its this way >

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Looking back to the track in the distance from standing on the correct line of the legal road line 

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Legal line to the right of Bri and Oak tree in the background (Same girth size wink) 

Track to the left is what I normally ride, not legal line blankstare

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Slightly further into the woods than the previous photo but on the legal line smile

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