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mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

weston beach race

SK1970 · Clubman B

How did you get on today lee ??
I seen some pictures - Dune 19 looked very big !

Tribey · Expert

Well done John (Trackman), beat David Knight again!

Schoe000 · Expert

On Facebook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzSsbKalRk&feature=share

Albert · Clubman A

wow, that was horrible. I hope hes ok, any news on it?

Wheely · Expert

Poor Lee Joint. Get well soon buddy

SK1970 · Clubman B

oh god, very nasty. hope he is ok ? any news ?

jt · Powermonger!!

Hope Lee is ok - seems to be constantly in the wars.....

Wheely · Expert

He's been replying to well wishes on FB so luckily nothing majorly serious. However he's still be beat up pretty bad.

5 broken ribs
Bruised lungs
Broken eye socket
Twisted knee.

Poor lad has been thru the wars over the last few years.

Speedy recovery

Jonzy · Clubman B

Here's hoping for a speedy recovery Lee, that is awful to watch knowing you.

devondan · Champion

Don't they have yellow flags, for gods sake that's scary.

Shbay · Clubman B

Hope led recovers soon that looks nasty!!

Bet he's glad the safety gear he was warring did its job in such a extreme accident

doh ! · Clubman A

Nasty accident for Lee can only ask where were the marshals on the approach to the dune I didn't make it up this year but a few that did all said there wasn't enough marshals that knew what they were doing around the course . wishing you a speedy recovery Lee

devondan · Champion

My thoughts too, after hoping he makes a speedy recovery.

SK1970 · Clubman B

Thank god he's ok - that was nasty.

Speedy recovery mate !

Kwaka Geoff · Expert

That looked very nasty and the injurys tell the same story. Get well soon Lee.

Mike Wright · Expert

I wish you a fast recovery back to 100% fitness.

Kleenex · Clubman B

Get well soon mate, haven't seen the video but the comments are bad enough.

doug9270 · Powermonger!!

Get well soon Lee.

I dont like to get into the legal side of things, but i am sure that the organisers need to take a close look at their Risk Assessment because it is not working.
If lee or anyone else was killed that day someone would be going to jail !!!!

jacks · Expert

Hope you get well soon, Lee, all the best from Chris and i,

mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

Thanks for all your kind comments. Im doing ok all things considered but there is no doubt that I am back at the start of the long road to recovery again.
Im just so greatfull to the spectators who put them selves in danger to potentially save my life!!!! Not sure how many more of them I could have taken.

John Harvey · Clubman A

Good to hear from you Lee and that you are on the mend, I was stunned when I realised that it was you that was involved... you are one seriously tough bugger, that is for sure smile smile smile

Hope you have a speedy recovery mate.

Regards John

Morse · Novice

Ouch that's worryingly frightening full on footage. I imagine must have been - so very close to a, potentially long term, life changing accident and incident.

Get well soon Lee and I'm agreed you are very tough indeed.

Does anyone know if the disclaimers, for injury or death, that must be signed before participating in such an event have any basis or enforceability in English Law? My understanding is that if the injured party who signed a disclaimer could demonstrate that a duty of care had not been fulfilled they would have an opportunity under civil law to pursue the organisers of the event. It's verging toward nanny state legalities n no one will do anything nor hold an event but good marshalling, or even poor marshalling, may have prevented this occurrence the absence of any marshalling shown in the footage is just wrong.

-- Edited by Morse on Friday 16th of October 2015 06:37:37 PM

Lost · Expert

John heal informs me the experts jumped this small dune every lap ,for the mear mortals a accident waiting to happen it seems ,to Lee I'm sorry it happened to you keep taking all the pain killers the pain management nurse offers you , to the organizers of western beach race I suspect your feeling rather uncomfortable right now .
Regarding safety procedures etc and running next years event ,somebody will be taking a very close look at the future running international seniors experts (amatures) riders in the same race ?

devondan · Champion

Kerry, that's not the point, I don't think it's the mix of abilities, if riders are down, regardless of their ability, other riders should be slowed down with a yellow flag, in my opinion, given that the landing area cannot be seen on the approach to the jump, it should be a "waved yellow flag" . That may have happened of course and the riders didn't slow down?

SK1970 · Clubman B

Exactly - anyone including the top expert riders could have a fall or mechanical and be stopped there - thats why Marshals are positioned at specific points to ensure safety - they got to look at making sure enough marshals are on duty at the right points and know what to do & riders fully briefed to watch for and obey the flags.

mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

Im glad people can see it for what it is! A lack of trained marshals in areas that are accidents waiting to happen.
Also i have noticed that the footage is being taken of you tube and i suspect this is the work of the organizers and is nothing to do with me as some people thought. I get the feeling that wbr are trying to make it go away!!!
And still nobody has tryed to contact me or my wife to see how i am.

mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

Also if anyone knows of any other footage of the incedent then please let me know.
Many thanks

Andyxt · Clubman B

"no longer available due to a copyright claim"

video no longer available.JPG

a quick search of the name mentioned revealed this though, which adds some context

www.youtube.com/watch

-- Edited by Andyxt on Friday 16th of October 2015 08:37:57 AM

devondan · Champion

It looks like there were marshals on the big dune before this one, but it looked like there weren't any on this dune until after the accident?

devondan · Champion

From the ACU:

Following a lot of recent media attention regarding the standard of flag marshals at Motocross events in the UK, which was again highlighted at the Weston Beach Race last weekend. The ACU has already started to undertake steps to improve the Marshalling at ACU motocross events in the future.

Over the winter and leading into the start of next season the ACU Motocross Committee will be dedicating both time and resources to improving the standards. This will include introducing specialised training seminars, including incident footage to assist Marshals with assessing the level of severity of an incident while trackside and also to help improve the Marshals own safety.

In the future it is planned that Marshals under the ACU will be certificated. ACU Motocross Committee member Chris Warren said We have some excellent marshals out there, but we also have some that need further training and understandings of the role and the importance of their duties. I have gathered a lot of information and experience throughout my duties across the world championships and I am in the process of putting together a training seminar for all marshals who are as dedicated as us to improving what we do with the yellow flag.

mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

Hmmm thanks devon dan. Interesting they are already awear that the marshals are not up to standared. But then again its not like its a big event or anything!!!!

Shbay · Clubman B

lee the Guy that posted the youtube clip did mention that he wasn't sure how the rider was but it was removed and reposted due to copy right.

might be worth dropping him a meassage on youtube to get the footage if your think of needing it or using it in any way!!

glad your doing ok!!!! but I do think that's your 9 lives gone.. I bet the wife is saying stop riding now!!!!!

james anderson · Clubman B

Hi lee there is a few more videos on you tube now one showing the five minutes before the accident and showing

Albert · Clubman A

you can get free software to download youtube vids, its probably worth collecting them up ASAP in case any are removed or made private

trackman · Clubman B

Hi Lee So sorry to hear about your accident I did not know about it until Tuesday night at the TRF night

I looked in results to find how you had got on but could not find your name on Sunday.

I flew out to Singapore on Wednesday to visit my son so I am trying to catchup with how you are.

I will back on the 29th so happy to help with any tasks and wish you a speedy recovery.

Cheers John.

Tomcat · Clubman B

The thing with Weston is the loose sand makes it unlike any MX event. You get people all round the course because they've bogged down, got stuck in the sand or toppled off, and with hundreds of people on the course at any point you can virtually guarantee there will be somebody somewhere on the down ramp or post dune area 90% of the time. You may feel that makes jumping dunes inherently hazardous, and you may be right. But simply flagging every dune where there's somebody in the landing area for jumpers would mean yellow flags on virtually every dune for virtually the whole race.

GWS anyhoo Lee, it looked very nasty.

Wheely · Expert

Rode at Moreligh today and was well surprised to see Lee there (he'd drove the catering wagon there). If you didn't know different you'd just think he had a slight black eye. Obviously a long road of recovery and reflection -- but awesome to see him and have a good chat. Of course he remembers nothing about the incident -- but the video is a pretty hard reminder to all.

markt270 · Clubman B

never met you , Hope you make a full and fast Recovery Lee , that video looked nasty !

russell11031967 · Devon's Best

Wheely wrote:
Rode at Moreligh today and was well surprised to see Lee there (he'd drove the catering wagon there). If you didn't know different you'd just think he had a slight black eye. Obviously a long road of recovery and reflection -- but awesome to see him and have a good chat. Of course he remembers nothing about the incident -- but the video is a pretty hard reminder to all.

I applaud that man smile biggrin biggrin I cant believe after that Lee you are up and about, I have only had two broken ribs before which was painful enough but with all the other injuries you also have I had expected you to at least be at home with your feet up watching Racing or Rugby wink biggrin biggrin

devondan · Champion

I've had an email from the ACU confirming that they are investigating the "incident"
Dan

mud sweat n gears · Clubman B

I guess that will be because i contacted them this morning about making an official complaint